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[xdreamer]

Not sure if this has been brought up in another thread, but;

 

If Helena took Zoe to the Jiva labs in Mumbai immediately after putting her in a coma then the hospital room was never really real, right? Yes she was in a room, in a coma, but she wasn't in a hospital in Casablanca. Including the scenes from the original Dreamfall. So at the end of the original Dreamfall when Zoe finds Reza off putting ("That is not him") I would now guess that she said that because it wasn't real, something felt wrong, just like Wonkers and all her surroundings in the beginning of Book 5. Except the narrative went out of its way to make a point of Reza being actually brainwashed by WATI. So we're to assume Reza actually was in that room and Zoe could sense what was wrong with him. Which makes me ask another question: If Reza really was under WATI's control and Helena knew about it then why was Reza allowed in Zoe's room in the first place if one of Helena's reasons for placing Zoe there was to hide her from WATI?

 

Could be missing something, usually am lol. Ready for you guys to solve it for me. 

[Kari2]

Not sure if this has been brought up in another thread, but;

 

If Helena took Zoe to the Jiva labs in Mumbai immediately after putting her in a coma then the hospital room was never really real, right? Yes she was in a room, in a coma, but she wasn't in a hospital in Casablanca. Including the scenes from the original Dreamfall. So at the end of the original Dreamfall when Zoe finds Reza off putting ("That is not him") I would now guess that she said that because it wasn't real, something felt wrong, just like Wonkers and all her surroundings in the beginning of Book 5. Except the narrative went out of its way to make a point of Reza being actually brainwashed by WATI. So we're to assume Reza actually was in that room and Zoe could sense what was wrong with him. Which makes me ask another question: If Reza really was under WATI's control and Helena knew about it then why was Reza allowed in Zoe's room in the first place if one of Helena's reasons for placing Zoe there was to hide her from WATI?

 

Could be missing something, usually am lol. Ready for you guys to solve it for me. 

 

Helena or Gabriel said that Zoe was moved later. So, originally she was in Casablance and Reza would have visited her there. There is no evidence that Reza was ever under WATI control. We do know that Morpheus ate some of Reza's memories, specially those that related to his investigation into the Dreamer. It wouldn't have been in Helen's interest or nature to tell Reza or anyone else about Zoe projecting herself into Propast. To everyone, other that Gabriel, Zoe actually was awake in Propast. Probably all that WATI knew was that a Briar Rose was an experimental subject at the JIVA labs.

[Pawlo_86]

I think that "that's not him" scene is set in Casablanca Hospital. Not long after Helena took Zoe to Mombai lab.

[Kari2]

I think that "that's not him" scene is set in Casablanca Hospital. Not long after Helena took Zoe to Mombai lab.

 

I think you mean "Not long after that Helena..."

 

In my previous post I said that "There is no evidence that Reza was ever under WATI control", however Helena did tell Zoe that WATI controlled Reza. Perhaps that is how the EYE was able to closed down The Hand in such a timely manner. WATI's control must not have been to extensive or Reza would never have walked out on Zoe (if you made  that Choice).

[MisterMetropolis]

Helena put Zoe in the coma specifically so that Wati wouldn't kill her like they killed Damien and Liv. She could keep her safe in her lab in Mumbai and hope that she could go back to Arcadia and absorb Lux. That was what I understood from her dialogue in Book Five, anyway. So I assume Zoe was in the virtual hospital room all along since Dreamfall. It was based on a real hospital room in Casablanca, which Zoe dreamed herself into in Book One and which Gabriel took her to again at the end of Book Five. Now, considering that Book Five started three days after Book Four ended - Zoe probably took some time to wake up. I can theorize from this that she also took some time to wake up the first time, and dreamed a sleeping body into the hospital room for a few days. When the hospital staff noticed and Jiva heard about it, they sent Reza there to keep Zoe safe from Wati and they moved to Propast together. Zoe's journal says Reza was the first thing she saw when she woke up. That's my theory, anyway.

[Pawlo_86]

My idea about timeline:

- Helena druged Zoe and put her in coma,
- Zoe "removed" Faith,
- Zoe in hospital in Casablanca,
- "that's not him" scene - WATI close to Zoe,
- Dreamer-Zoe in Storytime,
- Helena took Zoe to Mombai lab,
- Dreamer-Zoe escapes Storytime and awakes in hosputal in Casablanca,
- Dreamer-Zoe in Propast and Arcadia - unite with Lux,
- Zoe awakes in Mombai lab,

[Kari2]

The question I have is how was Helena able to track Zoe in Arcadia? Also, how did she come by the knowledge of the Well of Dreams?

[MisterMetropolis]

The question I have is how was Helena able to track Zoe in Arcadia? Also, how did she come by the knowledge of the Well of Dreams?

 

I don't think she knew about the Well of Dreams - I assume you're thinking of Lux. That's a mystery. But she didn't track Zoe in Arcadia.

[Kari2]

I don't think she knew about the Well of Dreams - I assume you're thinking of Lux. That's a mystery. But she didn't track Zoe in Arcadia.

 

Helena used the Well of Dreams to store dreams from Dream Net.  As much as she abhorred magical realms, only in Arcadia could they store a large number of dreams. Helena also knew when Zoe was in Arcadia versus somewhere else.

[Pawlo_86]

Also, how did she come by the knowledge of the Well of Dreams?

Maybe it was Undreaming's influence? Dream Conspiracy seems to be orchestred and played by Undreaming.

[Kari2]

Maybe it was Undreaming's influence? Dream Conspiracy seems to be orchestred and played by Undreaming.

 

Somehow Brian and Helena knew each other and had communication between them - there seems more to it than the presence of the Undreaming.

[MisterMetropolis]

I think they were communicating through Eingana and the Well of Dreams. She probably just knew when Zoe was in Arcadia because she was using the Dreamer.

[Riaise]

I can't remember what Helena said about the bug she placed on Zoë in Dreamfall, but could it have been monitoring Zoë's brain waves or something? Once Zoë was in Jiva's lab Helena could monitor her more easily. Perhaps the way in which she dreams changes slightly when she's in Arcadia?

[Kari2]

I can't remember what Helena said about the bug she placed on Zoë in Dreamfall, but could it have been monitoring Zoë's brain waves or something? Once Zoë was in Jiva's lab Helena could monitor her more easily. Perhaps the way in which she dreams changes slightly when she's in Arcadia?

 

How Helena was able to place a bug on Zoe and the nature of the bug was never explained.

[Ringtail]

Well, in DFC, Helena had direct, physical access to Zoe's brain. She might have tapped into her visual cortex and just watched Zoe TV.

[Kari2]

Well, in DFC, Helena had direct, physical access to Zoe's brain. She might have tapped into her visual cortex and just watched Zoe TV.

 

Maybe JIVA should have broadcaster  it as a morning sitcom.