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#41 darkshuria

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 12:02

What's a bout the french translation?

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 02:42

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Posted 20 July 2016 - 11:29

Estimated release time for German Sub (not only Subtitle)?


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Posted 20 July 2016 - 20:11

5.3.1 released today. No idea about changes.
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Posted 22 July 2016 - 13:19

Patch 5.3.1 is French subtitles, according to GOG.


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Posted 30 July 2016 - 22:00

Thank you for this great game, but.....

 

As a gamer who like to play with german voiceovers, it's realy frustrating.

 

It all begun as book 2 was released.

I opend the ingame settings, changed the voice to german and started the second book. All FX and Music worked perfect, but it has no voices.

I restarted the game about 5 times, changed anything in the audio setting to find the solution.

After 30 minutes, i decided to check in the internet if others have the same problem. So i found out that it was possible to choose german in the settings, but that the voices are missing for it and they will be uploaded to a later date.

That wouldn't be a big problem, but that the customer had to google for this problem to found out that those will be released an other time is realy frustrating. I wasn't alone with that, i found a lot of those messages in the internet.

 

And now....

We are waiting months for the voice-over for book 4 & 5 and have no idea when those will be released!

 

All the customers which want to play the game in german language (in french it's the same) have the feeling RTG gives a **** about us.

 

For later games, RTG don't do voiceovers in other languages, or do it correctly and release them together with the english one.



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Posted 30 July 2016 - 23:18

For later games, RTG don't do voiceovers in other languages, or do it correctly and release them together with the english one.

 
Die deutschen Stimmen gemeinsam mit den englischen rauszugeben, war eine Schnapsidee. Aber nicht von Red Thread Games, sondern von deren deutschem Distributor EuroVideo, der es sich mit mir bereits mit der schwachsinnig Steam-gebundenen "Retail"-Version verscherzt hatte.

 

Selbstverständlich haben die diese Stimmen in keiner sinnvollen Zeitspanne anliefern können, da sind Fehler zuhauf passiert, für Nachbesserungen dann kein Budget. Deshalb auch diese Idee, erst nach Buch 5 überhaupt Stimmen für Buch 4 nachzuliefern: Es kostet den Distributor ganz einfach viel_weniger_Knete, wenn er die Sprecher nur einmal ins Studio bitten muss.

 

Aber selbst mit dem ganzen Fiasko waren die deutschen Spieler noch privilegiert, so schnell eine deutsche Fassung zu bekommen. Die Franzosen haben heute noch keine. Insbesondere aber die Norweger haben noch keine norwegische Silbe Dreamfall Chapters gehört, geschweige denn gesehen. Und werden es ggf. auch nie. Stell dir das bitte vor: Chapters ist teils mit staatlichen Zuschüssen als zu förderndes norwegisches Kulturgut entstanden. Ohne norwegische Sprache... während die Deutschen rumheulen, ihre Sprache käme zu spät. Grund zum Motzen gibt's sicher, aber im internationalen Vergleich haben wir doch wieder die Bonzenposition erwischt, weshalb das gerade in internationalen Foren einfach_nicht_so_gut_rüberkommt.

 

Da es für RTG rein finanziell bereits keine Möglichkeit gibt, ein Spiel am Erscheinungstag mit mehrsprachiger Sprachausgabe herauszugeben, ohne irgendwelche schmutzigen Deals mit schmierigen Publishern wie Koch Media einzugehen, hoffe ich allerdings, dass sie zukünftig keine Voiceovers außer Englisch mehr machen.

 

Und vielleicht noch Norwegisch. Immerhin spielt das übernächste Spiel in Norwegen. Die Regierung hat auch schon ein bisserl gekickstartet. :)


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Posted 30 July 2016 - 23:52

Thank you for your reply.

 

I totally agree with you, that i whine on a high level compared to the french and norwegian players. I am also happy that a small, new game developer company make voice overs on german at all. But my bigest problem with the voice over isn't that those will be released at a later time.

 

What's frustrating for all the players who are waiting for the audio files, that we do not see what's going on and RTG gives no information, no statement, nothing at all. All infos we found about voice overs are in the version history with the comment at the bottom "coming soon".

As i mentiond, i had to search in the web to find out why i heared no voices in the game, because i taught its a bug or a problem with my audio drivers. That's give a feeling that RTG are not interested in the voice overs and does not care for players who are waiting for it.

 

Telltale (sorry, that i compare this game, with the telltale games) also do no voice overs on other languages, and i still love those games. But they do not promise something and didn't tell any infos if there are any problems with it. So for the future RTG games, just do not any voice overs and nobody will be frustrated.

 

 

Also, that nobody understand me wrong, just missing communication for translations makes me sad, but i totaly love this game, i am happy that the journey continued and i have to say thank you to RTG for this. 


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Posted 31 July 2016 - 07:58

 
German gobbledygook -> google translate:

The German voices together with the English rauszugeben was a crazy idea. But not from Red Thread Games, but of their German distributor Euro Video, which it had already forfeited me with the "retail" version moronic Steam-bound.
Of course, these voices have been able to deliver in any meaningful period since errors abound happens for improvements then no budget. Therefore, this idea nachzuliefern ever votes for book 4 after book 5: It costs the distributor easily viel_weniger_Knete when he only once have to ask the studio speakers.
But even with the whole fiasco, the German players were privileged, as soon get a German version. The French do not have any today. In particular, however, the Norwegians do not have any Norwegian syllable Dreamfall Chapters heard, seen let alone. And it will possibly never. Imagine that please before: Chapters is partly caused by government subsidies as to promoting Norwegian heritage. Without Norwegian language ... while the Germans rumheulen, their language would come too late. Reason for Motzen's safe, but in an international comparison, we have yet again caught the bigwigs position, which is why the einfach_nicht_so_gut_rüberkommt just in international forums.
Since it purely financially for RTG already is no way to publish a game on the release date with multilingual voice output, without assuming any dirty deal with sleazy publishers as Koch Media, I hope, however, that they make the future no voiceovers than English more.
And maybe even Norwegian. After playing the game after next in Norway. The government has already kickstarted it a bit.

 

 

:P and the reason for complaining about bad translations in a language foreign to the forum is to give readers the chance to experience more bad translations ? Like what google makes out of the posting ? Comes not rüber so good! ;)  :rolleyes: 

 

Not the worst of options to learn english through media you enjoy. Especially if it has subtitles. Thats how i learned it as a teen.



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Posted 31 July 2016 - 12:06

V was giving the explanation in German for people who really need the translation, he himself didn't complain (and this much does googles translator get quite right).

Also Telltale offers a prime example of how not do translation: In Tales from the Borderlands you don't get to change the text language, instead the PC locale settings are forced. This means French/German/Spanish subtitles on English voice, no matter what your actual preferences.
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Posted 31 July 2016 - 12:40

Hi there,

 

I've one question about physical rewards. You guys seem to be quiet after the release of final chapter of Dreamfall Chapters. I've pledged $500 and I just wonder when I can expect some info about them. 

 

Thank you. :)



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Posted 31 July 2016 - 12:53

V was giving the explanation in German for people who really need the translation, he himself didn't complain (and this much does googles translator get quite right).

Also Telltale offers is a prime example of how not do translation: In Tales from the Borderlands you don't get to change the text language, instead the PC locale settings are forced. This means French/German/Spanish subtitles on English voice, no matter what your actual preferences.

 

Reminds me of google maps on Android when i am in Germany and can not make it pronounce german names correctly because it's language is tied to system language. Telltale seems to be learning from the best.



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Posted 31 July 2016 - 13:52

Hi there,
 
I've one question about physical rewards. You guys seem to be quiet after the release of final chapter of Dreamfall Chapters. I've pledged $500 and I just wonder when I can expect some info about them. 
 
Thank you. :)

We're not sure when there will be more info on this, but the team should be starting to get back from summer vacation around these times. So hopefully there will be an update then.

What they have said in the past is that they want to release a complete version of the game, and that this is the one that will be distributed on the physical media. It will include the last of the ingame rewards and stretch goals that haven't been done yet, as well as some general improvements. We don't have an ETA, but I would expect it to take some time.

(To be clear I'm just a moderator on the forums, I don't work for RTG, so I have no inside knowledge)


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Posted 31 July 2016 - 18:38

All right. All right. I've said all that elsewhere in English already, but I will, yes, translate my entire rant up there into English. :blink:
 
Forgive some freedoms as I try to adapt the textual flow as well.
 

Yes, it was a crazy idea to release the German voices together with the English. But it wasn't Red Thread Games' idea in the first place, it was the idea of their distributor EuroVideo (who had already ruined their reputation for me when they released Dreamfall Chapters as an empty DVD with a Steam key).

Well of course it was impossible to deliver these voiceovers in any kind of sensible time frame, and of course mistakes happened by the dozen, with nary a budget for amendments. That's the reason for releasing the Book 4 voices only after Book 5: It costs the distributor much_less_money if he only has these voice actors in the studio once. .

But still it was a privilege for German speaking players to receive a German version this fast. French players are still without, but especially the Norwegian players haven't heard or read one Norwegian syllable from Dreamfall Chapters. They possibly never will. Think about it: Chapters has been created in part with government money as an expression of Norwegian culture... without the Norwegian language... while German players whine about the next language patch. Sure, there's reason to whine, no doubt about that, but in comparison to basically the rest of the non-English speaking world, we Germans are still coming out the fat cats, so maybe this kind of whining isn't all too welcome in an international forum. 
 
As RTG hasn't got the budget to release their games with voiceovers in several languages at release day already (barring dirty deals with  sleazy publishers like Koch Media), I really do hope that English is their first and only choice in the future as well.
 
And, well, maybe Norwegian, the setting of their third game is Norway anyway. The Norwegian government has Kickstarted them once more already...



By the way, Telltale tried to cooperate with German publishers once in order to release their Back to the Future game with English and German voices on day one, that was in 2010. I distinctly remember the translation being so bad that in the German version, people in the 1931 talked about their experiences in World War II. Yes, "two".


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Posted 12 August 2016 - 04:00

they want to release a complete version of the game

Just wanted to say that this is the version of the game I'm waiting for. I can only afford to purchase a game one time so I always hold out for the final version (plus I greatly prefer to not purchase via Steam). I know of several other people who are also waiting for the final version.



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Posted 12 August 2016 - 06:44

Just wanted to say that this is the version of the game I'm waiting for. I can only afford to purchase a game one time so I always hold out for the final version (plus I greatly prefer to not purchase via Steam). I know of several other people who are also waiting for the final version.

If you buy a digital version of the game, you can buy it whenever you want. You'll have to wait for the digital version to become available, and by that time the game might be a little bit cheaper, but it also might not be. The only way you'd be stuck with an exact version would be if you were to purchase a physical copy, which you could only do during the kickstarter, and if you did, the version on the physical copy will be the complete edition. There is a physical copy that you can buy in/from Germany, but it's just a Steam key in a box, so in essence that's a digital copy. Since your only option is to buy a digital copy, it might be best to wait until it's on sale and/or in a bundle of games that's fairly inexpensive. Your options will be Steam, HumbleBundle and GOG. I severely dislike Steam, so I chose GOG. If you buy it there, you can download it whenever you want, so you can wait for it to be on sale, buy it and then wait for the complete edition to be released before you download, install and play it.

 

As far as I know, the "complete edition" will simply be version 6.0, or some equivalent, so you wouldn't have to re-purchase it if you were to purchase it now. There was talk of an "ultimate edition", which may or may not get made and would probably need to be re-purchased. Everyone let me know if this information has changed. I doubt it could have and flown under my radar, though.


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Posted 12 August 2016 - 08:03

Just wanted to say that this is the version of the game I'm waiting for. I can only afford to purchase a game one time so I always hold out for the final version (plus I greatly prefer to not purchase via Steam). I know of several other people who are also waiting for the final version.

 
If you've decided to wait until now to get only the full version, you missed Book 1 first version. They tell me the new version has some quite different parts.
 

I severely dislike Steam

 
How come? I don't know much of other online platforms (except for Origin, which sucks) and am interested in any intel you can give me.
 


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Posted 12 August 2016 - 09:15

They allow proper, invasive DRM, require you to prove to them that you paid for your game before you can play it, and the last time I checked, the Steam client doesn't have a way to check the install files you downloaded before you use them to install the game. You can check the file integrity after the game's already been installed, but that's after the fact. GOG is far superior due to the fact that you don't have to use a client to download a game, none of the games on their service include any form of DRM and you only have to login to your account on their site to download the install files, but you don't have to login to your account to be able to play the game. I don't like buying a product and then having to prove this fact to the company from which I bought it. That would be like buying a steak from a grocery store but before having the capability of cooking and eating it, having to scan/take a picture of the barcode and receipt, send it to the company that packaged the steak and then wait for their approval before you're capable of cooking and eating the steak.

 

Also, some DRM is extra nasty. The DRM that came with Crysis Warhead gave itself root access, made itself admin and you a user, and decided from then on what you can and can't install. Starforce was also extra nasty, taking over your optical drive and choosing what you can and can't install. In my opinion, this should be considered felony criminal behavior, and the criminals whom commit these crimes should be locked away for a very long time. If making a copy of a movie can get you 5 years in prison and up to a $250,000 fine, forcing DRM upon someone should get you 20 years in prison and a $1,000,000 fine per incident of an individual being victimized. Unfortunately, not a lot of people understand how computers work or how video game publishers operate, so their crimes are completely overlooked and dismissed.


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 22:20

I wouldn't go that far - but yes, what some extreme DRM solutions do actually can be considered illegal. Considering how Nvidia ended up being directed to pay $30 to GTX 970 owners for falsely advertising 4GB instead of 3.5GB effective VRAM, and none of the extreme DRM protected games' ads disclose the loss of privacy and risk of hardware damage as side effects of their installation.

 

That said, the reason most people have a favorable opinion of Steam, compared to e.g. Origin, is because Steam was the first DRM system that wasn't purely punitive in its behavior and that adopted the only anti-piracy approach that's been shown to work - to bundle added value services with legitimate copies, such as cloud saves, achievements, instant availability, and used flexible pricing to reach across multiple market segments. Carrot+stick instead of just the stick.

 

But with that also come other problems, like Steam's tendency to overwrite mods. Non-issue for DFC, but takes effort to overcome for moddable games. The extreme DRM which Steam permits (in addition to its own) also tend to make modding unnecessarily hard, for games where it matters. All in all, while DRM-free is far from OSS, it's a step in the right direction, so it's something that should be supported.



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Posted 21 August 2016 - 23:00

I wouldn't go that far - but yes, what some extreme DRM solutions do actually can be considered illegal. Considering how Nvidia ended up being directed to pay $30 to GTX 970 owners for falsely advertising 4GB instead of 3.5GB effective VRAM, and none of the extreme DRM protected games' ads disclose the loss of privacy and risk of hardware damage as side effects of their installation.

 

That said, the reason most people have a favorable opinion of Steam, compared to e.g. Origin, is because Steam was the first DRM system that wasn't purely punitive in its behavior and that adopted the only anti-piracy approach that's been shown to work - to bundle added value services with legitimate copies, such as cloud saves, achievements, instant availability, and used flexible pricing to reach across multiple market segments. Carrot+stick instead of just the stick.

 

But with that also come other problems, like Steam's tendency to overwrite mods. Non-issue for DFC, but takes effort to overcome for moddable games. The extreme DRM which Steam permits (in addition to its own) also tend to make modding unnecessarily hard, for games where it matters. All in all, while DRM-free is far from OSS, it's a step in the right direction, so it's something that should be supported.

Steam's DRM itself isn't that bad, but it allows publishers to add their own DRM, some of which is really nasty. I know I'm missing out on some games by sticking with GOG, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

 

I didn't hear about Nvidia being forced to pay GTX 970 users $30. When was this and can I still get $30 from them? I bought mine a little over a year ago.






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