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#21 Vanya-illin

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Posted 20 December 2015 - 07:24

Emma can be Fraulein.

This is my current theory as well. After the meeting in Newport Emma kept tabs on Zoe. And when Zoe was suddenly in two places at once at the hospital, Emma intervened to buy the doctors' silence and move her comatose body to a secure facility. Helena Chang may in fact be the one observing Zoe, but as Emma's employee. As far as Gabriel, Reza and Wati know, Zoe has woken up with major memory holes. When Zoe took off for Europolis with Reza, Falk Friedman and Dr. Zelenka were hired to keep tabs and try to prod her memories to the surface. Wati was content to use Reza to monitor the state of her memories until Zoe started using a Dreamachine. They couldn't access her mind with it but I think Zoe started putting out signals uncomfortably similar to Faith's effect on Dreamnet; that's why the Eye showed up to capture or kill her.


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#22 magritte

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Posted 20 December 2015 - 16:45

I must have missed this from Abnaxus, need to replay some.

But initial reaction to "Bloodless King", make me think of Brian W or the prophet, and it seems to me that the title does not fit Kian very well. 

Yes, I can't remember exactly what was said about the Bloodless King.  Is it clear that the Bloodless King is a good guy?..The term bloodless makes me think of something undead or synthetic, rather than a human being.



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Posted 20 December 2015 - 17:01

Yes, I can't remember exactly what was said about the Bloodless King.  Is it clear that the Bloodless King is a good guy?..The term bloodless makes me think of something undead or synthetic, rather than a human being.

 

Usually, a "bloodless king" is one who came to power without having to shed blood, but it could mean something else in this case.


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Posted 20 December 2015 - 17:42

Strange, I've never seen the term before.  Bloodless coup, yes, but I've never seen the term "bloodless" applied to the person who gets into power via a bloodless coup.  I don't even get anything when I google "bloodless king"...is it a translation from another language rather than an English expression?



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Posted 20 December 2015 - 18:14

I'm not sure where I first heard it. It was in my childhood, I recall that, but that was a very long time ago....


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Posted 20 December 2015 - 18:55

I've not heard "bloodless King" before. It sort of reminds me of Shakespeare (Macbeth) and is ambiguous.



#27 Ikon

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Posted 20 December 2015 - 20:18

Who knows, maybe I heard it in school, reading a play.


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Posted 21 December 2015 - 09:45

I said it in another thread: I think it's Kian, or at least we're supposed to believe it's Kian. His name means King in Persian and Vamon said before that he has no blood.


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Posted 21 December 2015 - 09:49

I said it in another thread: I think it's Kian, or at least we're supposed to believe it's Kian. His name means King in Persian and Vamon said before that he has no blood.

 

...and i believe that after his actions in Dreamer Cycle Kian can became a new ruler of Azadi.



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Posted 21 December 2015 - 22:57

Usually, a "bloodless king" is one who came to power without having to shed blood, but it could mean something else in this case.

 

What about soulless? Meaning non-human or un-human?


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#31 Ikon

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Posted 21 December 2015 - 22:59

I really don't know. It's possible I guess. That would rule Kian out though.


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Posted 22 December 2015 - 03:53

Bloodless can also refer to somebody being very pale.  That would kind of rule out Kian, too.



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Posted 22 December 2015 - 04:13

That would kind of rule out Kian, too.

 

For sure.


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Posted 22 December 2015 - 10:28

Also, Queenie could be Fraulein. :)

 

Queenie is no Fräulein! She's an old lady (if not a Dragon!)


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#35 Mr_Russ

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Posted 22 December 2015 - 11:28

It's not impossible that the historical reference is in mind here - the Glorious (Bloodless) Revolution of 1688 in England.

 

The inference from that is that Kian becomes king of something without spilling blood.



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Posted 22 December 2015 - 11:39

Queenie is no Fräulein! She's an old lady (if not a Dragon!)

I could be wrong, but when Fraülein was in use, I don't think it was limited to young unmarried women, just unmarried women. Of course, if she's a few millennia old, it might be pushing it. :P



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Posted 22 December 2015 - 16:29

It's not impossible that the historical reference is in mind here - the Glorious (Bloodless) Revolution of 1688 in England.

 

The inference from that is that Kian becomes king of something without spilling blood.

 

Thank you. I believe that's the reference I was talking about.


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#38 magritte

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Posted 22 December 2015 - 17:20

I suppose.  It's just that I've never heard William referred to as a bloodless King.  It seems kind of an odd construction to me since Kings normally don't have to shed blood to achieve the throne.  That's kind of the point of having a hereditary monarchy.



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Posted 22 December 2015 - 17:27

I think, if you check the history of the English monarchy, you will find plenty of blood has been spilled, lots of conquering going on.


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Posted 22 December 2015 - 17:38

Sure, but no monarch since Elizabeth I has had to spill it to become a monarch, unless you count Cromwell, who was not a King.  Thrones are normally inherited not captured by conquest. Other than the ones during the War of the Roses and Steven if you count him, I think all the Kings since William the Conqueror are bloodless in the sense that they got to the throne without bloodshed.  If you're counting blood shed for purposes other than becoming King, Kian isn't bloodless by any means.







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