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[NicoleCT]

So, when Zoe wakes up back in Casablanca (Propast having been all a dream - see my other thread for said theory) - it MUST be Helena Chang (her mother - ewww) - watching her through the glass - same as her sister, Faith - remember?  Anyway, in addition to all this - it is pretty clear that Brian Westhouse IS indeed The  Undreaming and there is going to be one heckuva showdown between The Undreaming and The Dreaming (Brian and Zoe) and of course, Saga - who is April and also The White Dragon will be responsible for restoring/maintaining the Balance - with Crow! (who we learn is part dragon) forever at her side. (This tidbit reinforces my belief that April is also Lady Alvane). 

 

This story is just too great. I wish they would make it a movie.  I always wished that even when we only had TLJ - what a masterpiece. Thanks Ragnar & Red Thread Games.

[the red of the kin]

So, when Zoe wakes up back in Casablanca (Propast having been all a dream - see my other thread for said theory) - it MUST be Helena Chang (her mother - ewww) - watching her through the glass - same as her sister, Faith - remember?  Anyway, in addition to all this - it is pretty clear that Brian Westhouse IS indeed The  Undreaming and there is going to be one heckuva showdown between The Undreaming and The Dreaming (Brian and Zoe) and of course, Saga - who is April and also The White Dragon will be responsible for restoring/maintaining the Balance - with Crow! (who we learn is part dragon) forever at her side. (This tidbit we reinforces my belief that April is also Lady Alvane). 

 

This story is just too great. I wish they would make it a movie.  I always wished that even when we only had TLJ - what a masterpiece. Thanks Ragnar & Red Thread Games.

 

INDEED!

[SantaMonica99]

And Kian was named as "Bloodless King" (by Abnaxus). It tells a lot.

[the red of the kin]

And Kian was named as "Bloodless King" (by Abnaxus). It tells a lot.

 

But Abnaxus didn't actually say that Kian is the Bloodless King, right? He said Crow found the Bloodless King...there's a good chance it's Kian, but could also be someone else...and whattehell is a Bloodless King anyway? 
hmmmmmm

[Hitana]

I remember Vamon saying that Kian has no blood or not the right blood. Also for kingdom the bloodline is often a very important thing and it's often believed that the line would be tainted by the unpure and it would be blamed on the blood if a king was not strong enough or such.

I'm not sure how, why and when Kian could become a king though.

[NicoleCT]

And Kian was named as "Bloodless King" (by Abnaxus). It tells a lot.

You know, I totally missed that. I had not idea who the Bloodless King was - thank you!! I'll pay better attention next play-through!

[Pawlo_86]

One of the meaning of word "kian" is king. It means also ancient.

[the red of the kin]

I hope Kian doesn't become King in the true sense of the meaning....I despise monarky, almost more than dictatorship

[Ringtail]

Maybe he gets elected to the Ayrede High Council post-DFC?

[lunitaire]

Since Kian means king, he might just be referred to as the bloodless king as a nickname due to his name's meaning and the fact that he doesn't come from an upperclass family. Abnaxus tends to obfuscate when speaking.

[msierchio]

Kian is the bloodless king. Saga is Lady Alvane. Still curious about the prophet. Also, Zoe may be protected and cared for by Emma de Vrijer, not Helena Chang. 

[Rouben]

So, when Zoe wakes up back in Casablanca (Propast having been all a dream - see my other thread for said theory) - it MUST be Helena Chang (her mother - ewww) - watching her through the glass - same as her sister, Faith - remember?  Anyway, in addition to all this - it is pretty clear that Brian Westhouse IS indeed The  Undreaming and there is going to be one heckuva showdown between The Undreaming and The Dreaming (Brian and Zoe) and of course, Saga - who is April and also The White Dragon will be responsible for restoring/maintaining the Balance - with Crow! (who we learn is part dragon) forever at her side. (This tidbit reinforces my belief that April is also Lady Alvane). 

 

This story is just too great. I wish they would make it a movie.  I always wished that even when we only had TLJ - what a masterpiece. Thanks Ragnar & Red Thread Games.

Is there any clue who killed White Dragon? AGREED WITH THE REST!!! Yes, what a wonderful mouve would that be!

[pazzer]

Think it's more likely to be Wati Corp watching Zoe though the glass. Would be surprising if did turn out to be Helena Chang given she wanted Zoe dead.
 

[Dagget]

Think it's more likely to be Wati Corp watching Zoe though the glass. Would be surprising if did turn out to be Helena Chang given she wanted Zoe dead.
 

 

I would assume that WATICorp would want her dead - they certainly made a beeline for her once she put on the 1st Dream machine.  So I'm leaning towards Emma or some other sympathetic entity.

[Pawlo_86]

Kian is the bloodless king. Saga is Lady Alvane. Still curious about the prophet. Also, Zoe may be protected and cared for by Emma de Vrijer, not Helena Chang. 

 

Emma can be Fraulein.

[Uniteatteri]

Emma can be Fraulein.

 

Also, Queenie could be Fraulein.

[magritte]

I  don't think we know for certain that Helena Chang wanted Zoe dead.  It's possible she wanted her dreaming.

[Burns Flipper]

I  don't think we know for certain that Helena Chang wanted Zoe dead.  It's possible she wanted her dreaming.

Agreed.

[shadakul]

It would have been very easy for Helena to kill Zoe, but instead she put her in a state where she could enter dreamtime. That set her on the path to completing her destiny. Helena was also key in the creation of both Faith and Zoe (in several ways) and it looks like they were both created with the intention of them being dreamers. We know that Lux was dying and needed another dreamer to save him. Perhaps Helena isn't the bad guy we suspected her to be?
 

Also, we know that Zoe was out of contact with her dad. Is that because she subconsciously knew she was still in a coma in Casablanca, and that he was unaware of her activities in Propast and thought she was still a veggie? We already had hints that Reza was a fake and some part of the conspiracy, which makes sense that he would be in on the fact that she was still sleeping (assuming she was just dreaming herself into Stark.) 

 

It's hard not to be meta in my interactions with Brian and Reza, because we have knowledge that Zoe kind of doesn't; Brian getting Un-dreamified happened while she wasn't around, and she doesn't remember herself saying that Reza isn't Reza.

[lars]

..and whattehell is a Bloodless King anyway? 

I must have missed this from Abnaxus, need to replay some.

But initial reaction to "Bloodless King", make me think of Brian W or the prophet, and it seems to me that the title does not fit Kian very well.